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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.28 06:18:00 -
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Why do you get to have everything just by having more numbers?
You have best ore you keep little guys out so they cant profit from it. You make enough money that losing ships should be absolutely of no meaning to your alliance. The only thing in this game that could even begin to hurt your alliance is losing a tech 2 bpo.
Fact is you are greedy people, you want everything for nothing. You want to treat people as you like and have no consequences cause you can blob beyond what the servers can handle. This must end.
If you dont like losing ships in empire GET OUT.
You are a nation act like one get your people into your space.
Oh but theres no agents there buhu people if you care about it that much get the hell out of the alliance. You want super safe empire content and you want super safe 0.0 content. Guess what no one should get to have that because they have more people grouped together.
Little corp not in alliance gets to have his safe empire content but gets killed in alliance space. For you its the opposite. Any sane person would still rather be in your shoes.
Why should the system support so much those who are individualy weak?
Stop being weak.
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.28 06:18:00 -
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Why do you get to have everything just by having more numbers?
You have best ore you keep little guys out so they cant profit from it. You make enough money that losing ships should be absolutely of no meaning to your alliance. The only thing in this game that could even begin to hurt your alliance is losing a tech 2 bpo.
Fact is you are greedy people, you want everything for nothing. You want to treat people as you like and have no consequences cause you can blob beyond what the servers can handle. This must end.
If you dont like losing ships in empire GET OUT.
You are a nation act like one get your people into your space.
Oh but theres no agents there buhu people if you care about it that much get the hell out of the alliance. You want super safe empire content and you want super safe 0.0 content. Guess what no one should get to have that because they have more people grouped together.
Little corp not in alliance gets to have his safe empire content but gets killed in alliance space. For you its the opposite. Any sane person would still rather be in your shoes.
Why should the system support so much those who are individualy weak?
Stop being weak.
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Aim careful, and look the devil in the eye. |
Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.28 13:48:00 -
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alliances have earned their right to be where they are, you on the other hand have earned nothing and want to deprive them of normal concord protections on account of they call a section of space their own therefore concord cannot help them.
Bull they havnt earned anything. They were scared people hudling in fear of going through jan in the early game and then they realized hey, by just getting all together and claiming some 0.0 we can make it safer than empire and the money is better to boot. A few wolves will not kill an entire flock but they will consistantly pick them off. They choose to be sheep they live with the aftermath.
It is absolutly disgusting that a nation that is supposed to be powerful would come on here and whine that they cant handle the loses inflicted by a few people in empire. If you are going to be a nation you should be spending the majority of your time within your borders. If you dont like that you should not be a member of that nation.
As a nation they need to take care of themselves. They are NOT part of the concord treaty of the 5 empires. They deserve no protection while in empire space as they are now aliens there. They must provide for their own protection, which is a cornerstone of being a true nation.
And to say that all concord protection is useless now is rediculous. the majority of the population still benefits from it as they should as they have life hard enough because of greed mongering alliance weaklings.
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.28 13:48:00 -
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alliances have earned their right to be where they are, you on the other hand have earned nothing and want to deprive them of normal concord protections on account of they call a section of space their own therefore concord cannot help them.
Bull they havnt earned anything. They were scared people hudling in fear of going through jan in the early game and then they realized hey, by just getting all together and claiming some 0.0 we can make it safer than empire and the money is better to boot. A few wolves will not kill an entire flock but they will consistantly pick them off. They choose to be sheep they live with the aftermath.
It is absolutly disgusting that a nation that is supposed to be powerful would come on here and whine that they cant handle the loses inflicted by a few people in empire. If you are going to be a nation you should be spending the majority of your time within your borders. If you dont like that you should not be a member of that nation.
As a nation they need to take care of themselves. They are NOT part of the concord treaty of the 5 empires. They deserve no protection while in empire space as they are now aliens there. They must provide for their own protection, which is a cornerstone of being a true nation.
And to say that all concord protection is useless now is rediculous. the majority of the population still benefits from it as they should as they have life hard enough because of greed mongering alliance weaklings.
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.28 13:53:00 -
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And to be able to declare war on 2000 people in Empire not fighting for only 1mil/week is ridiculous. If you actually want to fight an alliance, just go to 0.0.
I will agree to this the day all money making capability is taken out of .5+space for alliance members. Hell in reality any alliance member found mining in empire should be escorted out by empire navy with a message telling them to mine their own roids and stop mooching off the empires protection.
Your either powerful or you are not. As an alliance member you have advantages others dont do you understand what balance is. For those advantages you must have a disadvantage which others dont. If you dont think it is enough leave the alliance and be a business man. But that wont happen cause you want it all and you want it now Miss Veruca Salt.
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.28 13:53:00 -
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And to be able to declare war on 2000 people in Empire not fighting for only 1mil/week is ridiculous. If you actually want to fight an alliance, just go to 0.0.
I will agree to this the day all money making capability is taken out of .5+space for alliance members. Hell in reality any alliance member found mining in empire should be escorted out by empire navy with a message telling them to mine their own roids and stop mooching off the empires protection.
Your either powerful or you are not. As an alliance member you have advantages others dont do you understand what balance is. For those advantages you must have a disadvantage which others dont. If you dont think it is enough leave the alliance and be a business man. But that wont happen cause you want it all and you want it now Miss Veruca Salt.
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.29 07:20:00 -
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I dont even understand what this discussion is about.
It is not like the gate guns instagank you the moment an alliance member steps into empire. Some of you people will die yes, but it will never be that it is fuly unsafe as people in your nations territories would be subjected to.
You want to be a nation fine, act like one. Nations dont need protection from small bands of maurauders. If you need allied protection from what is your most minimal threat then there is somthing very wrong. You do not have to declare yourself a nation. If you can not handle the consequence than simply stop being a nation and go back to being an unrecognized entity.
You keep saying that no benefits exist, thats fine if you think that. If so you should have no problem disbanding. Such would be a good message to ccp that they need to add some advantages to make people make themselves official.
If you want to close off a part of the game world and have your name on the map to validate that claim than you will have to deal with being in some danger somewhere.
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.29 07:20:00 -
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I dont even understand what this discussion is about.
It is not like the gate guns instagank you the moment an alliance member steps into empire. Some of you people will die yes, but it will never be that it is fuly unsafe as people in your nations territories would be subjected to.
You want to be a nation fine, act like one. Nations dont need protection from small bands of maurauders. If you need allied protection from what is your most minimal threat then there is somthing very wrong. You do not have to declare yourself a nation. If you can not handle the consequence than simply stop being a nation and go back to being an unrecognized entity.
You keep saying that no benefits exist, thats fine if you think that. If so you should have no problem disbanding. Such would be a good message to ccp that they need to add some advantages to make people make themselves official.
If you want to close off a part of the game world and have your name on the map to validate that claim than you will have to deal with being in some danger somewhere.
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.29 16:21:00 -
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1.000.000 isk * the number of corporations in the declarer alliance * 2 * number of existing wars
The declarer is the agressor, the one declaring the war. In the case of a single corp that is 1.
Amazingly enough they must have figured that an alliance of over 2000 members who mean close off a part of the game world to 48k members of the game should be able to deal with a few small bands picking on them. Instead they want to cry to uncle concord like always.(altho they dont want to pay the kind of taxes to concord that lets say the gallente federation no doubt pays)
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.29 16:21:00 -
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1.000.000 isk * the number of corporations in the declarer alliance * 2 * number of existing wars
The declarer is the agressor, the one declaring the war. In the case of a single corp that is 1.
Amazingly enough they must have figured that an alliance of over 2000 members who mean close off a part of the game world to 48k members of the game should be able to deal with a few small bands picking on them. Instead they want to cry to uncle concord like always.(altho they dont want to pay the kind of taxes to concord that lets say the gallente federation no doubt pays)
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.29 16:38:00 -
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Im guessing they put () around (2*number of wars) ingame and didnt put them in the patch notes.
Easy test would be to see if declaring on 2 alliances costs 4mil for the second or 1mil.
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.29 16:38:00 -
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Im guessing they put () around (2*number of wars) ingame and didnt put them in the patch notes.
Easy test would be to see if declaring on 2 alliances costs 4mil for the second or 1mil.
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Aim careful, and look the devil in the eye. |
Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.29 16:54:00 -
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As for what loka wrote. It should be possible for an alliance to keep a war that was orignally declared upon them going for the amount that corp was paying to keep it on them so that there will be no retracting.
However, realistically an alliance of that size should just absorb what amounts to increadibly minor loses. If the loses become significant then you might want to send people out to deal with it because it will become cost effective.
As for safespot and log. I dont see how this is at all relevant as anyone can do that and everyone does do that alliance or not when they are hopelessly outgunned. Nothing is stoping the alliance pilots from getting away other than their own poor piloting.
There is no inequality going on here. The system does not force alliance pilots to line up single file at the yulai gate in tour and jump in 1 by 1 to be ganked.
If an alliance is worried about being financially hurt by actual alt corps then they got problems.
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.11.29 16:54:00 -
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As for what loka wrote. It should be possible for an alliance to keep a war that was orignally declared upon them going for the amount that corp was paying to keep it on them so that there will be no retracting.
However, realistically an alliance of that size should just absorb what amounts to increadibly minor loses. If the loses become significant then you might want to send people out to deal with it because it will become cost effective.
As for safespot and log. I dont see how this is at all relevant as anyone can do that and everyone does do that alliance or not when they are hopelessly outgunned. Nothing is stoping the alliance pilots from getting away other than their own poor piloting.
There is no inequality going on here. The system does not force alliance pilots to line up single file at the yulai gate in tour and jump in 1 by 1 to be ganked.
If an alliance is worried about being financially hurt by actual alt corps then they got problems.
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Aim careful, and look the devil in the eye. |
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